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  My first "disagreement" with standard JW thinking

  by TTATT_Paladin in

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  about two years after i was baptized, i had this incident.

  i looked at it as an isolated incident at the time, but now realize it would have had basically the same result with 99.99% of any jws not members here.. i will keep it short.

  i was talking with a person who was raised in the religion.

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  william draper

  I agree the names of the week , and related things would change .
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  PSALMS 83: 18 What is the name of God ?

  by william draper in

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  so many of us have been taught that the name of god is jehovah , if like me many have come to really appreciate god's name .. .

  more accurately we , at least many or most love the name of jehovah , or more accurately should i say this pronunciation .

  does god care what we call him , of course he does , he had his name written in the bible as yhwh ( best i can do on this computer ) , more than 6000 times .

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  william draper

  Love your response Simon . was all that in the EB , looks like some extra research there , thankyou .. ..
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  The real story on why The Watchtower society lost a Kingdom hall in Bonham ,Texas.!

  by koolaid-man in

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  what happened in bonham, texas?

  : the body of elders and the majority of the congregation decided to leave the watch tower organization.

  and with that, they took the kingdom hall.

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  william draper

  Who owns the KH building , if it is being financed by the Society , then the Society of course maintains ownership , till it has been paid for . If locals put up 50% or more of the costs , then it should be a shared ownership , when of course you have witnesses giving their labor for free to build the KH , this would raise a possible issue .

  People of the Watchtower should be setting an example , of not COVETING , their primary objective should be Teaching the correct understanding of Biblical importance . Of course some safeguards are necessary , you wouldn't want a KH owned by just one brother that may later decide , that he no longer wants anything to do with the JWs , and sells the KH , this would put extreme stress upon any organization , having to worry about such things , this of course doesn't mean the Society should claim ownership of all the KHs .

  SURE WOULD BE NICE TO SEE A COPY OF THAT LETTER FROM THE TEXAS CONGREGATION THAT WAS SENT TO THE WATCHTOWER . IT APPEARS THE SOCIETY REALLY ACTED IRRATIONALLY REGARDING IT .
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  PSALMS 83: 18 What is the name of God ?

  by william draper in

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  so many of us have been taught that the name of god is jehovah , if like me many have come to really appreciate god's name .. .

  more accurately we , at least many or most love the name of jehovah , or more accurately should i say this pronunciation .

  does god care what we call him , of course he does , he had his name written in the bible as yhwh ( best i can do on this computer ) , more than 6000 times .

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  william draper

  Although there appears to be still lacking evidence , very oddly there are incitations of God's name having been written in the New Testament , besides Jws , others speak of MATTHEW as possibly have been originally in Hebrew , but no real evidence of this found as of yet .

  We know that when the NT writings were being written , God's name was no longer in use by those of the Orthodox , and it was much discouraged ; were there possible reasons why do not find the name of God in the NT besides the idea , that it wasn't of any importance , possibly there were severe consequences if found in those letters which had wide circulation . It is said in John ch 17, though that Yeshua / Jesus made God's name known , there is no reason to read into this , anything but that which it says .. that Yeshua reminded the people of God's name YHWH , quite possibly this is one more thing that created friction between Yeshua , and some of the religious leaders .
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  PSALMS 83: 18 What is the name of God ?

  by william draper in

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  2. beliefs

  so many of us have been taught that the name of god is jehovah , if like me many have come to really appreciate god's name .. .

  more accurately we , at least many or most love the name of jehovah , or more accurately should i say this pronunciation .

  does god care what we call him , of course he does , he had his name written in the bible as yhwh ( best i can do on this computer ) , more than 6000 times .

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  william draper

  So many of us have been taught that the name of God is Jehovah , if like me many have come to really appreciate God's name .. . or have we . More accurately we , at least many or most love the name of Jehovah , or more accurately should I say this pronunciation .

  Does God care what we call him , of course he does , He had his name written in the Bible as YHWH ( best I can do on this computer ) , more than 6000 times . Now one would think Jehovah Witnesses would be ones that truly love the name of God , they go about everywhere saying DO YOU KNOW THE NAME OF GOD ? here let me show you here in Psalms 83: 18

  Dear friends , the name of God is NOT Jehovah 😧 , It is widely known that the more correct pronunciation begins as such . . . Yah .. . most common understanding is Yahweh , but the pronunciation could be more like Yahuah , I believe it is true that there was not a . . .J . . pronunciation in the ancient Hebrew language .

  How nice it would be to actually know and use the correct pronunciation of God's name , but we will never come close to such if we keep making lame excuses like nobody really knows what it is , this could actually be a lie perpetuated foremost by the JW RELIGION . In my studies , I read that an ancient Samaritan sect never stopped using but he name of God , more research is needed on this . We do know , as least every scholar that there is agrees that the pronunciation of gods name begins with . . . Yah . . . We should understand and appreciate this , from the phrase Hallelu-jah , jah here is pronounced as Yah .

  Let's say your name is John what if some people called you Hohn , how would you react , you would correct the person right . .. Actually my name is John , then you see the person another day and he would again call you Hohn , YOU WOULDN'T APPRECIATE IT WOULD YOU . . .The excuses the *ORG* uses to keep perpetuating the name of God as Jehovah and actually nobody knows , so we just use Jehovah , is deceitful , it actually perpetuates the abuse of God's name . And there is that confusing thing about the Transliteration of Gods name , another deceitful tactic . THE WATCHTOWER DEMANDS ABSOLUTE UNITY , AND SAYS THEY ARE GIVING US TRUTHS AS GOD SEES FIT TO REVEAL , now why is God revealing the truth about his name to everybody butJehovah Witnesses which keep teaching some kind of confusion about it , OH THE NAME HAS TO BE TRANSLITERATED . . . . THIS IS ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE . PROPER NÀMES ARE NOT ALWAYS CHANGED for instance the name of our President . . OBAMA . . this is pronounced as OBAMA throughout the whole earth , the name of a Country , like China , it is pronounced as China throughout the entire earth .

  Doesn't it seem logical that we should use the best understanding that we can attain , when calling upon the name of our God , shouldn't we teach others according to the best understanding that there is , that we are aware of . YES OF COURSE . THIS THOUGH IS NOT WHAT JEHOVAH WITNESSES DO , THEY TEACH A CONFUSION ABOUT GODS NAME .
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  The Watchtower are Right About Blood...

  by cofty in

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  ... but, they fail to take note of one important detail.. i believe that if we are going to have any chance of reasoning with a jw about blood, this is the place we need to begin.. don't try to convince them that it was only a dietary law.

  it wasn't, and they will never go along with it.. don't tell them that saving a life is more important than obeying a law, even a seemingly trivial one.

  they take pride in obedience.

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  Correction about Johnathan eating non bleed meat , and King Saul set to kill him . Johnathan saw honey and partake of it , not knowing of his Fathers decree , others ate meat which they did not drain the blood , ALL THE PEOPLE SPOKE UP FOR JOHNATHAN thus saving him from death , all that is said regarding the meat that was eaten , without draining the blood was that the men should bring their animal to a certain area and do things properly , there doesn't appear to have been any penalty imposed upon any for this . 1ST SAMUEL ch 14
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  When you were Hard-Core JW, did Opponents Screaming or Filming you help your Exit?

  by PokerPlayerPhil in

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  all of us are upset in different ways, some of us are ferociously angry because, let's face it, it's our fault!

  i had many clues they were lying about our religion but i failed to see through them because of the pain of admitting we got conned and family pressure from peers stopped me from making a courageous choice.

  when i read about people who confronted the elders and won their judicial committees (even though the jw elders df'ed them) my heart goes out to their courage, their amazingly stronger than i will ever be.

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  william draper

  I must make a correction , I previously said , I never did believe it was the TRUTH , over time that teaching did become part of my belief , and it has taken quite some time to get over it , there are literal tracks that develop in your mind which hold certain beliefs , and it takes a while to really sort through things , throw out the bad and keep the good .

  THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENT G . T. , All that dressing up has no place at meetings which supposedto be for the critical essentials .
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  Where is it said , not to independently do deep study of scripture

  by william draper in

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  i do believe it is written somewhere in jw literature .

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  william draper

  Thankyou , especially enjoyed those articles , W.F . pointed out , I believe there is much more even more pointedly discouraging ones from doing independent studying .
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  Where is it said , not to independently do deep study of scripture

  by william draper in

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  i do believe it is written somewhere in jw literature .

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  william draper

  I do believe it is written somewhere in Jw literature .
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  1 Meeting for each of your fingers ? ? ?

  by william draper in

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  anybody remember how this became a doctrine , years ago , we were at the meetings so that out fingers would be learning something .

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  william draper

  That was one heck of a bad marriage I was in , a lot of things going on I wasn't paying attention to .